Global Hoax
I’m sorry if this is somewhat thrown together. I wish I really had more time to write this. I’m mainly writing this for a friend who asked me why I believe global warming or AGW (anthropological global warming) is a hoax.
We’ll start with “Climategate” as it’s called.
From Pajamas Media:
“On November 19, 2009, climate science was severely shaken by the release of a collection of email messages, together with a collection of data and data processing programs, that were hacked or revealed by a whistle blower from the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit (CRU), one of the key centers of global warming research. These emails and text files have been the subject of intense debate, calling to question assumptions on anthropogenic (man-made) global warming.”
All the Climategate documents are available on their site here.
Some further interesting reads on Climategate here:
Global WarmingGate: What Does It Mean?
Climategate: Warmist conspiracy exposed?
Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’?
Leaked Climate Change emails Scientist ‘Hid’ Data Flaws
Next information from scientists:
According to Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology at Adelaide University, “The hypothesis that human activity can create global warming is extraordinary because it is contrary to validated knowledge from solar physics, astronomy, history, archaeology and geology.” This is an interesting article written about him.
Climate Sceptics has a large amount of data from scientists who believe that climate change is a natural event which man has NO control over (this is what I believe).
Now we get to the UK’s Lord Christopher Monckton, a former science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Lord Monckton is probably one of the loudest voices to speak against AGW. He’s challenged Albert Gore to a debate numerous times on national television. Gore has no problem preaching to congress and appearing on 30 Rock to tell the nation how they are destroying the earth. However he refuses to debate the issue. His power-point presentation “An Inconvenient Truth” offers no opposing views but merely presents as fact data that “Climategate” has proven to be false.
There are hundreds of scientists around the world who don’t believe AGW. I haven’t had time to read through all of this but here are some further references.
More on Lord Monckton:
Viscount Monckton on Climategate: ‘They Are Criminals’ – “the global temperature trends have simply been made up.”
Update
Global Warming: Man-Made or Natural?
A speech from August 2007 by S. Fred Singer
Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia
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Interesting stuff. Of course it’s very easy to sound convincing when the majority of your information is from one side of the debate. Please understand that I am not accusing you of anything underhanded; this same phenomenon occurs in any debate: intelligent design vs. evolution, nature vs. nurture, cats vs. dogs…whatever. Some of your sources above cite low temperatures as evidence against global warming, while those who believe in it will cite those same temperatures as evidence for it. An honest question here: are laypeople–you and I–putting the same amount of effort into investigating each side of the issue? Because chances are, if you read enough Nazi propaganda, you believe it’s true…or if you read enough of the National Enquirer, you start to believe it, too. As of right now, in regard to the global warming debate, I’m unconvinced either way. Until such time as I do become convinced, I will do what I can to buy and behave responsibly. For me, it’s not a matter of trying to save the Earth; it’s a matter of good stewardship.
Well, I feel that the other side is represented quite well everywhere you look. I certainly don’t get all my information from just one side. This is just the side I feel doesn’t get any attention from the media these days.
I can say we certainly agree that we should behave responsibly because it’s just the right thing to do.
I don’t think that the debate is as much about saving the earth as a lot of people think. Conservatives don’t want to destroy the planet. What we do want, though, is to prevent legislation that will bury us trillions of dollars further in debt and possibly strip freedoms away from citizens. That’s where I feel this global warming this is going…cap and trade, fcc regulations….either way, I agree that we should’ve good stewards of our planet.
For my part, I don’t believe in man-made climate change. But what I would like to see is an honest-to-goodness debate on the issue. I’ll keep an open mind, despite what I believe now. The problem is, Al Gore and the rest of them have repeatedly said that the debate is over, and this is fact. It is clear, though, that it is not. I also agree with the principle of stewardship as it applies to the Earth, but what I see in the climate change/”Green” fad is one side dominating the issue and not allowing opposing views. That is the number one reason I have to doubt them: they don’t want the other side to have a say, because they know they can’t defend their position. I can’t take that kind of “science” seriously.
I’ve said this before, ill say it again..man has been around since God created us. Through fires, earthquakes, famines, every natural disaster imaginable, and centuries of cow farts. To think that suddenly, man has started being responsible for a potentially planet ending change in the climate is laughable, ignorant, and mostly arrogant. Its just like humans to be self centered as to think plastic bags and gasoline are destroying earth. It would be funnier if freedoms and (should I say it? Yes, I will..) liberties weren’t at stake. In all seriousness, this is not about saving the planet. Its about power, money, and forcing citizens to live by impossible, hypocritical standards the lawmakers themselves wold never even dream of adhering to.
oh, and no amount of nazi propaganda reading would make me believe it. And no amount of global warming “evidence” will make me believe it until its rooted in actual fact and proven beyond doubt. No more carefully selected, along with carefully omitted, statistics.
I am not a smart enough man to make a qualified argument either way. I do believe from what I have read that climate change is cyclical. I also believe that man can exacerbate the problem. I didn’t say they are….but they can. Either way, that is not what my comment is about.
My comment is about the belief of people on both sides, and the glaring differences. On one side of the aisle are people like myself that believe its a world issue, not a man issue. We are small in the mainstream media, but loud, and often looked at as ignorant. Then there is the majority of the media that says its our problem. They have, what I believe is, the audacity to say that we are the cause. Even crazier to me is that they believe we can change this. The real problem I have with this is I don’t think they actually believe this. They say they do. But their actions show otherwise.
True belief brings change in ones life. If you truly believe Christ is the savior, then you change your life. If you truly belief the stove is hot, you don’t touch it. That goes to the heart of my problem. If these people REALLY believed, then it would change the way they lived. Al Gore would live in an 1100 sf house with no A/C and only solor panels. He would ride a bike everywhere, or in the very least fly coach instead of private jets. I know that may not be as safe for him, but according to him that jet is going to destroy everyone on the planet, not just him. If he really believed the things he preaches (and yes he preaches) then it would cause a change in his life. Buying carbon credits is no change. It is an excuse that lets him get away with whatever he wants as long as he has enough money. Fine, he has money.
But if he REALLY AND TRULY believed the things he preached, then he would buy carbon credits AND change his life. That is true belief. As a christian, I believe Christ died on a cross for me, so I live for him. But that is not enough. I have to die daily. But that is not enough. I have also go into all the world, and tell people about Him. I have to not only believe, but go beyond that doing the right things all while changing my life. True belief means I must not only change, but act.
I know this post has picked on Al Gore here. But from what I have seen, this is indicative of the overwhelming majority of vocal global warming evangelists. Mind you, not everyone, but from what I see, a lot of them. And I have hard time believing from someone that by all outward accounts doesn’t really believe it himself. Its the same problem that the world has with following Christ. A large amount of the vocal and public people that carry his banner are seemingly hypocrites. Whether global warming is man made or cyclical, I may never know. I just know they should get a better spokesperson than Al Gore, and the others that tell me I am evil, yet do so very very little to change their lives or do different than I.
(steps down from his soapbox)
One thing about Al Gore, and regretfully it won’t be very nice or helpful. I think he’s a bit of a shmuck. I’ve noticed what Mr. Kelley mentioned above…it doesn’t appear that Gore practices what he preaches. I think he just kind of jumped on the environmental bandwagon so he could be in the spotlight again.
That unimportant blather aside, I have a hard time in any debate choosing between the black and the white. Specifically in regard to global warming, I can’t bring myself to believe it’s as bad as some think, but I also can’t bring myself to believe that our actions have no effect on climate. I noticed that some of the sources above state that CO2 levels have risen, but they insinuate that those levels are insignificant. What we need to realize is that even small changes can have adverse effects on the environment.
I like what Keith said above: “…what I would like to see is an honest-to-goodness debate on the issue.” By reading back and forth between different sources on both sides of the issue, it’s difficult to get direct one-to-one statements and rebuttals.
For the most part, I tend to ignore the issue (for better or worse). It just doesn’t seem practical to laboriously research issues like these, trying to become an expert of one side of the debate or the other. There’s just too much going on in most of our lives to get bogged down on things that, in an eternal sense, have no value. Honestly, it doesn’t make a bit of difference to me whether we are taxed or regulated to death…I’m just not that concerned with this life.
For some reason, I didn’t see Jared’s responses earlier…strange…I agree with what he says about lawmakers making laws they themselves wouldn’t abide by. You may have seen the SuperBowl commercial in which the “Green Police” were riding around and arresting people for throwing away orange peels or using incandescent light bulbs…that was pretty scary.
At the same time, though (and I said this above), I think it’s irresponsible to think we have no effect on the environment. Our use of the insecticide DDT nearly drove the bald eagle and other organisms to extinction. To believe we have no effect on the planet is laughable. We’re definitely not destroying the planet, but we’re most certainly affecting it adversely. Jared’s right, though: Earth has survived worse than us, and will survive us as well.
Its called convictions, some of us have them, some of us don’t.
Sorry Kevin P. I had “all comments must be moderated” turned on so comments weren’t posting right away. Now only your first comment must be moderated. So they should show up now.
The previous commenter was quite obviously a troll, which is someone who posts anonymously and stirs trouble more than bringing actual conversation to the comments. The typical rule of thumb is “don’t feed the trolls” therefore his comment should have never been approved. However, he hit a nerve with me when trying to use the Bible to tell us why we were wrong for having a reasonable discussion. I choose to approve and respond. In hindsight, I believe this was the incorrect decision. The comments have now been deleted.